Seven Ashina Spears - Shume Masaji Oniwa | Sekiro Shadows Die Twice Wiki

Surprised to see debate about whether to cheese this mini boss. When I reached Shume, I immediately thought "Oh! Fromsoft intends this to be a puppeteer puzzle, fun!" Sure enough, the other samurai is straightforward to puppeteer, reducing the difficulty and giving the fight a unique feel compared to the first Seven Spears encounter.

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Why would fromsoft make a duo boss in a game where combat system is made around 1vs1? Are they stupid?

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This guy is a complete joke in comparison to the first ashina spears boss. Guess this one's here only to show you how powerful you've become, now that you have learned to mikiri and not panic.

I popped a Gachiin's to get rid of the general. No other cheesing needed.

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Just stand by the idol and toss a ceramic shard anywhere down there… the sword guy will come walking over. You jump off the edge by the steps and deathblow him from above. Easy, works every time.

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Use a Gachiin sugar to stealth stab and turn the samurai sword dude into your puppet. Be sure to crouch and walk towards them NOT facing the samurai dude or else you will be spotted. After that it was just a double gank on the spear mf. Everytime he tried thrusting my g puppet slashed his ass, 2v1 really isn't fair lol.

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A few mortal blades from the branch and you can take out the add and one healthbar of the boss, then go pupeteer the rifleman who is idly sitting there asking for it and take on the last bar of the boss

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Turn the other dude into a puppet to gank the boss instead of him ganking you

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After only ever beating them with the cheese method, I'm trying to fight them both, and it's not enjoyable. It's really difficult to get posture damage on either one without having to jump away from their attacks. Always wondered if the fight was designed with the cheese in mind.

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I didn't think of backstabbing one of them. They are fairly weak to the mortal blade though. It does decent posture damage on them. Same with fire.

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My favorite part of the "fight" is how the boss is 10 times more willing to run off the cliff than the swordsman.

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Fake difficulty

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Holy mother of dogshitass shitty fights.

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Stealth kill the general, then de-aggr mini boss and stealth kill first life. Then go on the branch and use mortal blade or you can straight up fight him at this point. Mikiri counter, deflect.

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It's easy except for the other guy sucking his ****, if you're having trouble just go to the branch near the ledge and stand on it and attack, the soldier should fall by himself if you're lucky, after that 1v1 the spear bastard.

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this dude's a hoe. i wasted so many spirit emblems trying to pupeteer cheese and then i realized it's way easier to just gaachin's sugar and run up to his sidekick and deathblow. then when it was one on one he was way too ****ing easy. he's only hard if you have to fight two on one, 1 on 1 is trivial.

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I just cheesed him off the edge and he just respawned; no longer a viable strategy apparently

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The hardest part of the fight is the mini soldier you need to kill

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Really fun mini boss. Much more challenging than other Seven Spears. I gaichin sugar'd deathblowed the samurai and then fought him face to face no cheese after dying to him many times tying to cheese. Really fun to mikiri his delayed thrust attack which can really mess up your timing first time around. And that one move where you gotta deflect and then he thrust attacks you which you gotta mikiri immediately after is really cool. Great mini boss.

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the funny part is that the swordsman guy puppet can knock spearman out of the map ending the fight instantly with a force reset

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日本人です。初コメント失礼します。
「鬼庭」と言うのが姓であり、「雅孝」「雅次」が名です。「刑部」は刑罰や裁判を司る役職で「主馬」は馬車装具や馬の管理、輸送等を司る役職です。
「鬼刑部」と言うのはニックネームであり、鬼の様に強く恐ろしい戦いぶりであることから名付けられました。

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The cheese has been patched out: Any deathblow on the add will also aggro Oniwa.

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another cheese: luring the other general to the tree branch where you can grapple on, let him go hear enough until he actually stands on it, deflect his attack and see him falling to his death. it'll be now 1on1

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Had to cheese cuz he's so annoying here's how, gaichin sugar and puppeteer the samurai then spam monk fist combo on his back and make sure to re puppet so he doesn't die

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Gachiin right from Ashina Reservoir, walked around them, and stealth killed the sidekick. Went out on the branches to reset, popped another Gachiin and waited for him to stand in his spot. Walked right up and stealth killed the first healthbar. Watch the Mikiri counter because it staggers you for a second, but it's still affective. Hit him with some fire, too.

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I swear this is like the hardest mini boss in my opinion, he fights like a final boss, he is the final boss!!

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You can lead the add accompanying Oniwa off the cliff that the tree branch is on. Go to the next tree branch to de-agro the boss and come back to backstab him, and fight him as usual.

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since the thought of puppetering the general samurai comes so naturally I did 3 times. Each time my puppet will kick oniwa off the cliff near branch with grapple. Its a very funny seen but it happened 3 times and oniwa respawns each time after rest. So puppeteer is wothless at least that was the case of mine.

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you guys are dumb, the real gamer move is to use a delayed finger whistle with projected force at the dying soldier, when they're close enough backstab shume, THEN use bloodsmoke ninjutsu on the dying soldier to blind them both, THEN switch to puppeteer ninjutsu on the general while he's still blinded. gachinn's sugar, finger whistle, two different ninjutsus, two backstabs. this is how real ****ing ninja fights, none of this kiting and hanging off cliffs ****

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The cheese I found on my first ever plathrough was to use gachiin to sneak to general and use him to trigger Bestowal Ninjutsu. Extra hits from ninjutsu stunlock Oniwa interupting him until he can be deathblown. Was able to kill him before ninjutsu run out. GG

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Mega cheese. First puppeteer the general, then lure Shume near the cliff, if you can do that fast the puppet will do a thrust attack push Shume off te cliff leaving Shinobi Execution

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Strategy that worked for me: 1. gaichin sugar backstab general 2. ran away to reset the boss 3. come back and backstab the boss 4. immediately puppeteer the rifleman 5. back off and let rifleman take aggro. 6. oil the boss and sparke axe him a couple times to deathblow

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The main counter is to mikiri him and then deflect the Following move. He wil fell down on his knees, time to hit him in the back. Repeat.

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Stealth deathblow the sword guy first.

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An easy way, use a Gachinn sugar, target the general with the echo whistle and call him from the top of the stairs. Then move back and hide toward the flaming gate, he will not see you with the sugar active. When he turns to go back down the stairs stealth death blow on him then free stealth death blow on the seven spears also.

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Fun little translation note; "Oniwa" is actually a title roughly meaning "Administrator of the Stables" (referring to 主馬寮 / "shume-ryō", or "Bureau of the Stables").

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i got lucky with this fight because when i grappled to the branch nearby, the enemy glitched and fell off the cliff leaving me with just the mini boss

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discovered a semi-cheese tonight (ok, maybe it's a full cheese): equip the spin-to-win axe and fistful of ash. first sneak under the house and around the edge of the cliff to get a free backstab. when he gets up and does his stomp-pose, throw an ash in his face and spin-axe him to the ground. as he gets up, ash him again, axe him again. he'll get a hit or two in, so use an ash as cover for healing. i rinsed and repeated this about 6 times and he was done.

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Guys there's an easy way run and pray at the secret door idol then come back and try to sneak backstab samurai guy near to mini boss and use puppetier jutsu he will drain one life point then fight becomes easy moving forward

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No matter where I go into the area they both get aggro’d right away. Did this get patched or something?

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This guy is pretty easy when u equip ShadowRush , go to Branch & spam L1+R1 when u reach him just swing at him then return to the branch's furthest so that his spear won't hit you... GG took me exactly 15 seconds to kill him after i first Deathblowed him with my Gachiin Spiritfall... This dude is way easier than the first ****ing Ashina Spears Dude that killed me 12 times lol. Goodluck folks

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I've played through every dark souls multiple times, including bloodborne. This *****ing guy has been tougher for me to kill than most bosses across every game WTF am I doing wrong!?!?!? None of the advise in here helps, I've tried everything and exhausted most items. I can barely even hurt him!!!!!!!

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I read a comment section debate between Japanese people who couldn't decide whether Gyobu's role/title was 'Gyobu', 'Oniwa' or 'Oniwa-Gyobu'. This miniboss helps shed light on the issue imo. 'Oniwa' is possibly taken from the feudal Japanese role 'Oniwa-ban', a high ranking position who was in charge of gathering info and reporting directly to the shogun (including covert info from shinobi), although the 'oni' part is written in Sekiro with the kanji for demon, possibly as a nickname or due to Isshin being fancy with wordplay in his department names. Alternatively, Oniwa could be a surname since a historical figure using those characters exists, although his name was read 'Oniniwa', not Oniwa. 'Shume' is the name of a position (basically means horsemaster). 'Gyobu', probably short for 'gyobusho-ho', also relates to a real role. SO: since Sekiro's Gyobu introduces himself in Japanese as 'Oniwa Gyobu Masataka' and since the format [name]-[title]-[name] doesn't really scan for me, even in Japanese, my opinion is that Oniwa-Gyobu and Oniwa-Shume are both full titles/roles, whilst Masataka and Masaji represent their names. It's not certain, but I was persuaded by an anon comment on bnewg sokuho, so at least one Japanese person in the world agrees which gives me weeb armour.

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I did something different so I snuck up and death blowed him for one bar then I went to the guy sitting down and death blow bloodsmoked him and switched to puppeteer and death blow controlled the samurai and smashed his posture it was actually a lot of fun seeing it all come together like that lol

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Easy win: spam b or circle and attack when he's open

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I don't know why the strategy section makes it seem so complicated, there's a much easier and reliable way to kill the small general. Crouch and walk to the left of the area and then hang from ledge. While hanging target the general and use ANY finger whistle (you don't need to upgrade or anything). He will walk over, not see you, and then turn around and walk back. When he walks back just backstab him. Now you have a fair 1v1 with spear guy. If you used puppeteer ninjutsu or are good at mikiri countering, this boss will be down in no time.

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Strategy: There is a near dead foot soldier lying around, use him to trigger blood mist to stealth kill the small samurai, now you can fight a fair 1V1. Strategy 2: Ready the fire vent, rush to the cliff, wait for him to thrust attack, Mikiri counter, deflect the follow up attack, fire blast charge blast him down the cliff.

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“Weakness: ???” is never a good sign for Sekiro’s life

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Masaji and Masataka are brothers.

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I added my trick to puppeteer the general and backstab oniwa as well. Hopefully it works for others

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Quick aggressive strategy: pop a Gachiin’s spiritfall and run behind the general. Deathblow him and puppeteer him. Then, run to the sitting bro and hit him, deathblow and puppeteer him as well. Then move to safety and pop a Ako’s Spiritfall to increase posture and vitality damage. While spear bro is preoccupied with the puppets, do double ichimonji attacks and you’ll quickly fill up his posture and get a deathblow. If you’re quick enough you can keep one of the puppets alive for phase 2 and then pop another Ako if necessary and quickly double ichi him and don’t let him lose his posture damage again otherwise it’s hard to get it back up.

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Here is a strat that i used to beat him in about a minute: 1. Use a gachiins sugar and kill the general next to him, then quit out of the game. This will reset the boss and your position. 2. Sneak up on the goon to your left and kill him, (Make sure you have the ninjutsu bestowal, you can get from killing the headless ape and his wife after snake eyes shirahagi, this will require you to kill the guardian ape). 3. Activate bestowal and the red sugar (i forgot what it was called) or even better, a yasharikus sugar. 4. Perform a backstab deathblow on oniwa. 5. Be as aggressive as possible. If you are aggresive, you can cancle out his perilous attacks. The only attack to watch out for is the spin to win attack, which you can just deflect.

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Spiral spear is his weakness after puppeteer ninjutsu on his comrade

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To cheese the second phase... just get on the branch (hope he doesnt fall), throw oil, flame vent, hit a bunch of times, dash back to the branch, repeat.

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Don’t underestimate the rifle dude sitting there he can be a useful ally especially for drawing agro

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A strategy that worked for me was using the samurai as a puppet, then spamming the jump kick stun the whole time. You just have to watch for the overhead spin attack he does.

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Use a sugar, stealth around to the right then puppeteer kill the sword guy, Boss is ultra weak to the sword enemy and will spend most of the time on the ground after being knocked over. When the sword enemy is about to expire (Usually after you have gotten your first deathblow) REPUPPET him and do the same again. This made the fight so easy for me I didn't even get hit. Is this cheese or by design?

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You can run ahead to the next idol, turn around and walk around the fence to backstab the general without a sugar. -shlumpco

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OMG! I HATE THIS BOSS AREA!! the bloody fire always gets me, its like if its not the fire, im stuck in a corner ffs.

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Gachin sugar, backstab sword general. Immediately go to the half-dead guy that's sitting near a wall on your left. Execute him with the bloodcloud ninjutsu when the General is near and use that opportunity to backstab him for 1 of his health bar. Easy fight afterwards.

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Can someone help with an actual strategy for the mini boss, not just how to get rid of the sword user?

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Oniwa-- Related to Gyoubu possibly?

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He fell off the cliff when I jumped on the nearby branch

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i beat him fair and square 1v1, took 3 hour tho

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Me after defeating this boss: "Well that's tough and fun, i wonder if there will be harder bosses than this.." And here i am stuck for 2 days on Isshin The Sword Saint, help

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I actualy did most of this fight while on the branch. The sword guy eventualy will manage to hop on the branch and you can pull him quite easyly into the abysss. Sometimes he will even fall by himself. Now, once he has fallen, jump back to solid ground and imediataly run to the enemy sitting next the stairs and use pupeteer ninjutsu on him. Make sure you have either the firecracker or the axe so you can back the puppet as both of you team up to make the first deathblow happen. Once the puppet dies, go back to the branch and make sure to keep the distance of the strong spear atacks, since they are going to kill you if you fall into the abyss. Once he uses one of his strong atacks, you can counter with the running claymore move and imediatly dash back with circle. Repeat and eventualy his vitality will depleat.

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Gachiin sugar to backstab the sword guy, sprint to the branch and hook over to the other side, run until the health bar disappears, meaning he miniboss has stopped combat. Tadah, you can now start with a backstab by going back to the branch. Although, be warned, he can be extremely slow at getting back in position.

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Dont need gachiin just hug the left side

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just go to the branch to the left as soon as you can and the general will run toward you and fall off, also gives you spirit emblems for the rest of the fight

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There’s a grunt to the left of the stairs going down to the fight, let them detect you wait 2 seconds then kill and backstab the grunt, use the bloodsmoke then backstab the sword dude

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you can use gachiin's sugar and use pupeteer on sword guy, doesnt work on lance one.

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i just walked to brach on left and they fell off map

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this isn't a boss, who added this to the bosses list when he doesn't drop a memory???

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Use vault over when you break the other samurai’s posture to do puppeteer ninjitsu on him. Makes the fight much easier.

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